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Recherche d'une Paroisse

Recherche d'une Paroisse

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Bonjour,
je recherche en Irlande ou se situe la paroisse Saint-Pierre évêché de Daumoguy ou Daumogny (vers 1729)

Voici l'acte de mariage en France de O'Sughure, je pense que l'évêché a été mal compris ou transcrit. Serait peut-être Saint Pierre évêché d'Armagh ? Quoi pensez-vous.
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Posted Wed 2 Jan 2019 4:09 PM
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Bonjour Joël,

On sera ravi de vous aider au mieux dans votre recherche. Nous n'avons malheureusement pas pu trouver de paroisse de ce nom là ou approchant.

Si cela peut aider, nous avons trouvé une liste de paroisses avec les dates, cela pourra peut-être vous aider à trouver celle que vous cherchez.

Si vous avez d'autres détails qui pourraient nous aider à trouver le nom de cette paroisse, n'hésitez pas à nous les transmettre.

Le message est en tout cas passé dans la Communauté ! On vous souhaite une très joyeuse année 2019 !

Amicalement,
Julien

Posted Thu 3 Jan 2019 10:10 AM
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Bonjour Julien,

Merci pour votre aide, mais en consultant votre liste je ne trouve pas d'équivalence possible.

- Je pense que la prononciation par M. O'Sughure (Irlandais) à été transcrite phonétiquement sur son acte de mariage en France... d'ou la difficulté.

Si toutefois vous êtes intéressé par la généalogie de cette famille, je peux-vous la transmettre dans l'état actuelle de mes recherches. Voici les grandes étapes du déplacement de cette branche de (1729-1792)
Irlande - France - Maurice - Australie

Merci encore
et bonne journée
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Bonjour Joël,

Merci pour ces informations supplémentaires ! N’hésitez pas à partager vos autres recherches dans la communauté pour que les autres membres aient plus de détails afin de vous aider.

For other community members, if you have information about "Saint-Pierre" parish, "Daumoguy or Daumogny" diocese, around 1729, feel free to share your information with Joël!

Thank you,
Weena

Posted Thu 3 Jan 2019 6:37 PM
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Hello Joël, 

I would love to see if I can point you in the right direction. 

It is very possible that the name was spelled phonetically, and the most similar name would be Sugrue/Shugrue. Most of the households by this name came from County Kerry, and The Roman Catholic Diocese in Co. Kerry is the Diocese of Kerry

 As far as the name of the parish goes, I wasn't able to find anything either. Hopefully one of the experts here will be able to tell you more! :) 

Warm regards,

Melin
Posted Fri 11 Jan 2019 10:59 AM
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Bonjour,
Merci pour votre réponse, mais L'évêché reste une énigme pour l'instant.
Je vous joint l'état de mes recherches sur la famille 0'Sughrue : France puis Maurice puis l'Australie ... 
Si cela intéresse des généalogistes Irlandais.
si geneanet, vous y trouver cette famille et leurs alliances
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Bonjour,

Je reviens sur le sujet, quelqu'un peut-il rechercher en Irlande le mariage des parents :
Mortaugh O'Sughrue avec Marie Mac Rohen

enfants : Theodore O'Sughrue (lieutenant du régiment Clake) né vers 1729 en Irlande paroisse Saint Pierre évêché Daumoguy

le Mariage des parents nous donnerait sans doute le vrais nom de l'évêché rechercher 

Merci encore de votre aide
Posted Thu 17 Jan 2019 9:10 AM
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Hi Joel

The following fascinating detail regarding the surname Sugrue/O’Sugrue is recorded by Edward MacLysgaht in More Irish Families (Irish Academic Press, 1982). This surname seems to originate and be concentrated in the Iveragh Peninsula (i.e. the Ring of Kerry), County Kerry.

Edward MacLysaght writes:

The surname Sugrue is almost entirely confined to Kerry – the 1901 census records some 800 persons of the name in that county and the 1890 registration returns show that 22 out of 23 births were in County Kerry, the odd one being in the adjacent county Cork. In 1659 it appears under the form Shagroe as one of the more numerous names in the barony of Iveragh, County Kerry [i.e. ‘Ring of Kerry’ in Iveragh Peninsula, southwest Ireland]. The seventeenth and eighteenth century writers on the subject give the O’Sughrues a similar location and describe them as a branch of the O;Sullivans, who used the forename Sigfrid from very early times. Their principal seats were Fermoyle (retained until quite recently) and the Castle of Dunloe, which passed into the hands of the O’Mahonys. The fact that the Gaelic Ó Siochfhradha is derived from the Norse Sigefrith is, of course, not evidence of Norse origin.

The most distinguished member of this sept was most Rev. Dr. Charles Sugrue, Bishop of Kerry from 1797 to 1824. His name is spelt Sughrue in the manuscripts of the Wardenship of Galway, where he was Apostolic Visitor in 1816-17. One of the best known of the protagonists of the modern Gaelic revival is a Sugrue, though he is little known as such, his identity being hidden under the pseudonym An Seabhac. To him I am indebted for the information that there are two curious Sugrue nicknames which have given rise to what almost amount to surnames: muintir an tsneachta (people of the snow) appear in the Fiants as Itnaghty and Entnaghty and are still called the Sneachtas in English; while muintir na smear is another example, the modern use of which was to be found in the person of Norry Blackberyy living at Cahirciveen 80 years ago. He mentions that the name Sugrue should rightly be pronounced Shugrue in English as it appears from the 1659 reference given above to have been in the seventeenth century.


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