Long lost Great-Great Uncle

Long lost Great-Great Uncle

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Posted Fri 17 May 2019 3:30 PM
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Hi, I am not a visitor to Ireland but an Irish National living in Co. Meath. 
I have tried everything to find my great-great-uncle but without any success. 
His name was GEORGE WEBB,born January 1859, Killeen, Dunshaughlin, Co. Meath. (R.C. parish Dunsany/Kilmessen.)
Believed to have been a butler in southern Ireland (possibly Kilkenny Castle). Would anybody know if servants records exist for Kilkenny Castle or indeed any big house in the province of Munster.

Any ideas or information much appreciated.

Geraldine Boyle/Webb.

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Posted Fri 17 May 2019 6:45 PM
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Hello Geraldine,

I do understand that it can be a bit tough to find information about your family tree, even for those who have always lived on our shores. I'd be happy to see if I can point you in the right direction, towards answers.

The first thing I'd suggest is taking a peek at our Helpful Research Tips threads. One of our experts put together a very lovely guide about how to search for ancestry information, which might be of some help.

Since you mentioned that your Great-Great Uncle was born in Meath before 1846, contacting their genealogical centre might be a good starting point. You can reach out to the county of Meath for genealogy information by using the email address or phone number provided on their heritage website, or by contacting the council directly. You might also want to speak to the General Register Office, or GRO, for records from later in his life. 

I wish you the very best of luck on your search! If you need any more advice, please don't hesitate to let me know.

~Rochelle
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Posted Fri 17 May 2019 6:49 PM
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Thanks vey much for reply. Geraldine.
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Posted Sat 18 May 2019 10:59 AM
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Hi, Geraldine again. Have tried all resources over last couple of years in search for Uncle George Webb. Apart from baptismal record there is no record of him that I can find. He does not appear in 1901 or 1911 census or in English census.
All I know is that he was a butler somewhere in southern Ireland (possibly Kilkenny Castle) was unmarried and he returned to family home in Meath for holidays.

Could he have died and been unregistered? Could he have died in a workhouse and been unregistered.?  I am particularly keen to find him as I have managed to find the rest of the family.

Any advice appreciated. Geraldine.

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Posted Mon 12 Aug 2019 7:02 PM
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Still searching for my 2xtimes great-uncle George Webb.
Well,it s seems I have been in the wrong place.!The Webb who was butler to Bishop of Cloyne turned out to be a distant cousin of George.! Now, I got a bit of information that he may have been a butler in Bruree House,Limerick. (around 1880-1900) However that,s is all I know. Could there be any records of staff in Bruree around this time.
Geraldine Boyle/Webb.


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Posted Tue 13 Aug 2019 12:48 AM
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Hi Geraldine,

How neat - you are getting closer and closer all the time - wonderful progress forward. We're thrilled to follow your updates!

Might any of our Community friends be able to help us get a bit more information?

Thanks!

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Thanks for guideline. 
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You’re certainly not alone with this type of research – domestic servants can be among the hardest ancestors to trace, especially before the early 20th century. Unfortunately, there is no single central register of servants in Ireland, and very few large houses kept staff records that have survived. In the case of Kilkenny Castle, staff wage books and servants’ lists do not survive for the 19th century, so there is no definitive servant register to consult there. That said, there are still several indirect avenues worth pursuing.
1. Census substitutes & census records Check the 1901 and 1911 censuses carefully (including spelling variants of Webb). Servants are often listed under employers rather than with the family. Use the search by occupation and county of birth options – “butler” or “domestic servant” can be very helpful
2. Civil & church records George married or died in Ireland, civil records may list his occupation and residence, which can hint at an employer. Marriage witnesses are often fellow servants or employers. Continue checking RC parish records outside Meath – servants frequently married where they worked, not where they were born.
3. Valuation & estate recordsGriffith’s Valuation won’t list servants directly. Still, if you find him residing in a demesne or estate property, that’s a clue.Estate papers (rent books, correspondence, household accounts) sometimes survive and can mention senior servants like butlers. These are held mainly in:National Library of IrelandNational Archives of IrelandLocal county archives (Kilkenny, Tipperary, Cork, etc.)4. NewspapersButler positions were often advertised, and long-serving staff sometimes appear in local papers (weddings, retirements, deaths).Check the Irish Newspaper Archives and British Newspaper Archive using name + occupation.5. Military or overseas recordsMany butlers worked in Britain or served in the army earlier in life. If he disappears from Irish records, it’s worth checking UK census returns, especially for large households.6. Genealogy forums & local history groupsPosting on Meath, Kilkenny, or Munster-focused genealogy groups can be very effective – someone may recognise the name from estate material or local research.Lastly, don’t be discouraged by the lack of a single “servants record”. Butlers were senior staff, and they tend to leave more paper trails than general domestic servants — it often just takes time to connect the dots.

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